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NERVE MAGAZINE: A friend of mine has been looking for years for the Ishtar movie soundtrack & he can't find it.

PAUL WILLIAMS: It was never released.

NM: But it says at the end of the movie, "Soundtrack available..."

PW: I know. And at the end of the movie you were supposed to hear fully produced rock 'n' roll tracks of those songs with great musicians but Warren as producer & the entire Columbia team has never allowed it to be released because they were overwhelmed by the negative response to the picture. At least that's how I remember things playing out. Be great to get it out now... I think 'Chuck & Lyle' (Warren Beatty & Dustin Hoffman's characters) deserve their shot... even if it's 20 years overdue.

NM: Those are great songs!

PW: If somebody loves those songs, if they mention Ishtar, it's a guarantee that they are a songwriter or a musician because they get it, they get the humour.

NM: They are great songs that are supposed to be bad songs but are actually great songs.

PW: It would be very easy to write obviously bad songs but to write believable bad songs where they actually sound like they actually were trying to be good was the hard part & that's what I had a great time doing.
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SONGTALK: What was it like to write those intentionally bad songs for Ishtar?
PAUL WILLIAMS: I became possessed with my absolute belief that Chuck & Lyle were two real guys, the characters that Dustin Hoffman & Warren Beatty played. I worked months on that project. Oddly enough, a lot of underground bands are starting to do those songs. So maybe Chuck & Lyle will have their day yet. I enjoyed that. It was like therapy, finding out who those guys were. And I crawled into their heads. It was a safe place to go, because I was busy loosing myself, & I wasn't comfortable in my own head, so I climbed into Chuck & Lyle's. I wrote like fifty songs for this. Everyone had to like the songs: Dustin, Warren, Elaine [May, the director] & I had to like them, & they had to be bad. No wonder they took a long time. I was surprised the critics panned it to the extent they did. They were gunning for Warren. They didn't review the movie, they reviewed the budget. I thought it was pretty good.
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